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		<title>Comment on Public Data Corporation: have your say by christian louboutin discount</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=561&#038;cpage=1#comment-9076</link>
		<dc:creator>christian louboutin discount</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 06:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;christian louboutin discount...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]Public Data Corporation: have your say &#171; Open Local Data Blog[...]...</description>
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<p>[...]Public Data Corporation: have your say &laquo; Open Local Data Blog[...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Lets not pretend it&#8217;s simple&#8217; by Alex Stobart</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351&#038;cpage=1#comment-2294</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Stobart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Louise

I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s open data but this is what the accounting world is supposed to be moving to, albeit is the private sector first

http://www.xbrl.org/faq.aspx#31

XBRL is a language for the electronic communication of business and financial data which is revolutionising business reporting around the world.  It provides major benefits in the preparation, analysis and communication of business information.  It offers cost savings, greater efficiency and improved accuracy and reliability to all those involved in supplying or using financial data.  It is an open standard, free of licence fees, being developed by a non-profit making international consortium.  Other pages on this web site provide detailed information on XBRL, its technical features and its business opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louise</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s open data but this is what the accounting world is supposed to be moving to, albeit is the private sector first</p>
<p><a href="http://www.xbrl.org/faq.aspx#31" rel="nofollow">http://www.xbrl.org/faq.aspx#31</a></p>
<p>XBRL is a language for the electronic communication of business and financial data which is revolutionising business reporting around the world.  It provides major benefits in the preparation, analysis and communication of business information.  It offers cost savings, greater efficiency and improved accuracy and reliability to all those involved in supplying or using financial data.  It is an open standard, free of licence fees, being developed by a non-profit making international consortium.  Other pages on this web site provide detailed information on XBRL, its technical features and its business opportunities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Lets not pretend it&#8217;s simple&#8217; by MichaelG</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351&#038;cpage=1#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 04:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenData is a great idea. But I believe the biggest challenge for OpenData is not so much the format, but what type of data should be published as OpenData.

TYPE must come before FORMAT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenData is a great idea. But I believe the biggest challenge for OpenData is not so much the format, but what type of data should be published as OpenData.</p>
<p>TYPE must come before FORMAT.</p>
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		<title>Comment on UK public data to be overseen by a new single body by Public Data Corporation: have your say &#171; Open Local Data Blog</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=444&#038;cpage=1#comment-2079</link>
		<dc:creator>Public Data Corporation: have your say &#171; Open Local Data Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the initial announcement was made I tried to be optimistic; however, many others &#8211; such as Openly Local&#8217;s Chris Taggart &#8211; expressed [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the initial announcement was made I tried to be optimistic; however, many others &#8211; such as Openly Local&#8217;s Chris Taggart &#8211; expressed [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Social information like crime maps require skills of the users as well as the publishers by Voices &#187; Crime maps are just the tip of the iceberg</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=550&#038;cpage=1#comment-1867</link>
		<dc:creator>Voices &#187; Crime maps are just the tip of the iceberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was published originally – and in a slightly longer-winded format - on the Open Local Da...   Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Michael Grimes @ 12:26 pm [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was published originally – and in a slightly longer-winded format &#8211; on the Open Local Da&#8230;   Filed under: Uncategorized &#8212; Michael Grimes @ 12:26 pm [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is this blog useful? by Michael Grimes</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=253&#038;cpage=1#comment-1649</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you! That&#039;s very kind; and actually really helpful and timely, as I was beginning to have my doubts again. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! That&#8217;s very kind; and actually really helpful and timely, as I was beginning to have my doubts again. <img src='http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Is this blog useful? by Gavin Wray</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=253&#038;cpage=1#comment-1648</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin Wray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this blog is definitely useful. You write about difficult concepts in a clear and engaging way.

What I like are the practical issues about learning technical topics, which you address in lay language. You&#039;re providing a good bridge between those introducing public data concepts and those further on who are pushing developments in (for me, difficult to understand) linked data.

Keep on keeping on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this blog is definitely useful. You write about difficult concepts in a clear and engaging way.</p>
<p>What I like are the practical issues about learning technical topics, which you address in lay language. You&#8217;re providing a good bridge between those introducing public data concepts and those further on who are pushing developments in (for me, difficult to understand) linked data.</p>
<p>Keep on keeping on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Lets not pretend it&#8217;s simple&#8217; by Louise Kidney</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351&#038;cpage=1#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Louise Kidney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 12:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I am not alone! 
Open data champions, co-ordinated by central government, using data.gov.uk to ask questions on behalf of other people, giving advice and guidance on formats and generally being supportive and cheerleader shaped? 
Doesn&#039;t have to cost money, just needs online meetings every now and again, some online training delivered etc. It would help an awful lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I am not alone!<br />
Open data champions, co-ordinated by central government, using data.gov.uk to ask questions on behalf of other people, giving advice and guidance on formats and generally being supportive and cheerleader shaped?<br />
Doesn&#8217;t have to cost money, just needs online meetings every now and again, some online training delivered etc. It would help an awful lot.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Lets not pretend it&#8217;s simple&#8217; by Julian Scarlett</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351&#038;cpage=1#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Scarlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uncanny! A simple tweet (yes it was mine) and you somehow manage to extract all the same problems as I seem to have. Those problems aren&#039;t technical stuff (although RDFa takes a bit of getting my head around and SPARQL is a nightmare) and it&#039;s not for want of trying to get the data to publish. I take &#039;We Love Local Government&#039;&#039;s point that sometimes IT people can get a bit silo-ish about this but in my experience there is a marked resistance from service teams to let this stuff out. And when it does come it&#039;s a labour intensive process to get it formatted correctly. There are many LAs publishing &#039;open&#039; data in PDF and although I don&#039;t condone it at all I can fully understand why. Pragmatism. 

The main problem I can see is that it takes too much time and nagging to convince service teams to release data and change systems/processes to accomodate the automated publication of data. Open data isn&#039;t an IT thing - it&#039;s a government thing. Mr Pickle&#039;s push isn&#039;t a technical one. If just one person in every directorate/service team in every council took an hour or so to read about what open data is and thought about how it might affect their service we&#039;d be in a much better position. IT don&#039;t own your webpages, IT don&#039;t own your data. Why should IT be responsible for convincing you to make your data open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uncanny! A simple tweet (yes it was mine) and you somehow manage to extract all the same problems as I seem to have. Those problems aren&#8217;t technical stuff (although RDFa takes a bit of getting my head around and SPARQL is a nightmare) and it&#8217;s not for want of trying to get the data to publish. I take &#8216;We Love Local Government&#8217;&#8217;s point that sometimes IT people can get a bit silo-ish about this but in my experience there is a marked resistance from service teams to let this stuff out. And when it does come it&#8217;s a labour intensive process to get it formatted correctly. There are many LAs publishing &#8216;open&#8217; data in PDF and although I don&#8217;t condone it at all I can fully understand why. Pragmatism. </p>
<p>The main problem I can see is that it takes too much time and nagging to convince service teams to release data and change systems/processes to accomodate the automated publication of data. Open data isn&#8217;t an IT thing &#8211; it&#8217;s a government thing. Mr Pickle&#8217;s push isn&#8217;t a technical one. If just one person in every directorate/service team in every council took an hour or so to read about what open data is and thought about how it might affect their service we&#8217;d be in a much better position. IT don&#8217;t own your webpages, IT don&#8217;t own your data. Why should IT be responsible for convincing you to make your data open?</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;Lets not pretend it&#8217;s simple&#8217; by We Love Local Government</title>
		<link>http://localdata.citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/?p=351&#038;cpage=1#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>We Love Local Government</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 10:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great points, very well made!

To be honest, very few of us in local government outside of those with some ICT interest even know what open data even means, let alone how they can help make it work.  I work near our strategy, policy and performance people and they haven&#039;t mentioned it once since I&#039;ve been here, and that&#039;s about five years now.

They are collecting data all the time and churning out spreadsheet after spreadsheet, but never once considering who else might need or want to see it and how things should be done.  Until these people are fully up to speed I&#039;m afraid it&#039;s going to be more of that type of work for people like you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great points, very well made!</p>
<p>To be honest, very few of us in local government outside of those with some ICT interest even know what open data even means, let alone how they can help make it work.  I work near our strategy, policy and performance people and they haven&#8217;t mentioned it once since I&#8217;ve been here, and that&#8217;s about five years now.</p>
<p>They are collecting data all the time and churning out spreadsheet after spreadsheet, but never once considering who else might need or want to see it and how things should be done.  Until these people are fully up to speed I&#8217;m afraid it&#8217;s going to be more of that type of work for people like you!</p>
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